Crapola!!!!!

[BearBio]

When I took my "Animal Capture and Chemical Restraint" course about 1997, we were trained to use Carfentanil to knock out things like elephants & rhinos!! It was the drug used in one of the Jurassic Park movies to knock out the T-Rex. We had to have a paramedic present with a syringe of the antagonist (antidote) already loaded!

"Chosen for its high therapeutic index, carfentanil was first sold in 1986 under the brand name "Wildnil" for use in combination with an α2-receptor agonist as a tranquilizing agent for large ungulates, elephants, and large carnivores. Commercial production of Wildnil ceased in 2003; the drug is now available only in compounded form and not available for veterinary use due to human abuse. Since then, etorphine (AKA M-99) has become the standard tranquilizing agent for large mammals, with diprenorphine as the preferred reversal agent. Diprenorphine was also used previously to reverse the effects of carfentanil."

For comparison, I used etorphine to take down a large bull elk in about 1 1/2 minutes! We considered it too dangerous to use on black bears up to 425 lbs.

"Carfentanil, a weapons-grade chemical that authorities say is 10,000 times more potent than morphine and 100 times stronger than fentanyl, has seen a drastic resurgence across the U.S., killing hundreds of unsuspecting drug users."

A misapplication can kill a human being in less that 2 minutes!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/weapons-grade-chemical-carfentanil-surges-035752252.html

 

[BearBio]

When I took my "Animal Capture and Chemical Restraint" course about 1997, we were trained to use Carfentanil to knock out things like elephants & rhinos!! It was the drug used in one of the Jurassic Park movies to knock out the T-Rex. We had to have a paramedic present with a syringe of the antagonist (antidote) already loaded!

"Chosen for its high therapeutic index, carfentanil was first sold in 1986 under the brand name "Wildnil" for use in combination with an α2-receptor agonist as a tranquilizing agent for large ungulates, elephants, and large carnivores. Commercial production of Wildnil ceased in 2003; the drug is now available only in compounded form and not available for veterinary use due to human abuse. Since then, etorphine (AKA M-99) has become the standard tranquilizing agent for large mammals, with diprenorphine as the preferred reversal agent. Diprenorphine was also used previously to reverse the effects of carfentanil."

For comparison, I used etorphine to take down a large bull elk in about 1 1/2 minutes! We considered it too dangerous to use on black bears up to 425 lbs.

"Carfentanil, a weapons-grade chemical that authorities say is 10,000 times more potent than morphine and 100 times stronger than fentanyl, has seen a drastic resurgence across the U.S., killing hundreds of unsuspecting drug users."

A misapplication can kill a human being in less that 2 minutes!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/weapons-grade-chemical-carfentanil-surges-035752252.html

Basically, they trained us and then said "NEVER use it!!!"

 

[VancMike]

So....if one did use it and the recipient became deceased, would an autopsy show anything?

Asking for a friend...

 

[BearBio]

"Toxicology is the only way to confirm an opioid overdose death. A certified laboratory must do the testing. Panels of tests vary: an extended array of tests that includes designer opioids will usually cost over $200.

Urine screening tests done at the time of the autopsy or at a hospital only provide presumptive evidence and are not a substitute for blood or other tissue toxicological testing.

The pathologist or autopsy technician collects fluid and tissue samples for toxicological and other chemical testing at the autopsy. Some offices have their investigators draw samples at the scene or at the morgue, to minimize time since death.

Peripheral blood, usually femoral, is preferred to cardiac blood. It is less likely to be contaminated by, for example, material from the stomach. Urine, vitreous (from the eye), bile, and stomach contents should be collected, although they may not be tested unless confirmation or clarification of blood findings is needed."....From a pathology textbook

There may be extrinsic indicators (drug paraphernalia, a typical body position, petechia, foaming, etc.) but those are merely indicative.

 

[VancMike]

So glad I missed out on the drug scene.

When I was in high school, in the late 50's, my dad went back to college on the GI bill. He decided upon the Univ. of Chicago for only reasons he knew. So we upped ourselves from our little Wyoming town (Pinedale, pop. 750) and moved to the south side of Chicago (pop. 759/block), a culture shock to be sure.

Anyway, Timothy Leary was working his magic and my dad, along with some of his theological school peers, decided to take LSD (for greater insight into one's mind, he said afterwards). We were called late one night by a concerned custodian from the school to fetch him back home. With the help of a neighbor and my long-sufferering mother, we did so, only to be treated to a couple of days and nights of loud hallucinations. I was so disappointed and disgusted that I made it through the 60's when almost everyone I knew was trying something... except for me.

 

[BearBio]

So glad I missed out on the drug scene.

When I was in high school, in the late 50's, my dad went back to college on the GI bill. He decided upon the Univ. of Chicago for only reasons he knew. So we upped ourselves from our little Wyoming town (Pinedale, pop. 750) and moved to the south side of Chicago (pop. 759/block), a culture shock to be sure.

Anyway, Timothy Leary was working his magic and my dad, along with some of his theological school peers, decided to take LSD (for greater insight into one's mind, he said afterwards). We were called late one night by a concerned custodian from the school to fetch him back home. With the help of a neighbor and my long-sufferering mother, we did so, only to be treated to a couple of days and nights of loud hallucinations. I was so disappointed and disgusted that I made it through the 60's when almost everyone I knew was trying something... except for me.

I was studying biology in the early 70's. Time was too important with Chemistry, "baby" Calculus, Chemistry & Physics plus the required classes. I remember SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) were staging a sit-in and a buddy asked me to participate. I said "NO!! I have a chemistry final to study for!"

A date got me to try pot in '69 or '70. In the Army, I tried some "mild" hallucinogens (mushrooms & peyote) but they didn't "grab" me! Liked coke but it was waaaayyy too expensive for a starving student!!!! My buddies and I smokes a LITTLE pot on weekends but it was still the traditional: BEER!

 

[Alan]

When I took my "Animal Capture and Chemical Restraint" course about 1997, we were trained to use Carfentanil to knock out things like elephants & rhinos!! It was the drug used in one of the Jurassic Park movies to knock out the T-Rex. We had to have a paramedic present with a syringe of the antagonist (antidote) already loaded!

"Chosen for its high therapeutic index, carfentanil was first sold in 1986 under the brand name "Wildnil" for use in combination with an α2-receptor agonist as a tranquilizing agent for large ungulates, elephants, and large carnivores. Commercial production of Wildnil ceased in 2003; the drug is now available only in compounded form and not available for veterinary use due to human abuse. Since then, etorphine (AKA M-99) has become the standard tranquilizing agent for large mammals, with diprenorphine as the preferred reversal agent. Diprenorphine was also used previously to reverse the effects of carfentanil."

For comparison, I used etorphine to take down a large bull elk in about 1 1/2 minutes! We considered it too dangerous to use on black bears up to 425 lbs.

"Carfentanil, a weapons-grade chemical that authorities say is 10,000 times more potent than morphine and 100 times stronger than fentanyl, has seen a drastic resurgence across the U.S., killing hundreds of unsuspecting drug users."

A misapplication can kill a human being in less that 2 minutes!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/weapons-grade-chemical-carfentanil-surges-035752252.html

That era of wildlife work reads like a different universe compared to today’s protocols and restrictions.

 

[BearBio]

That era of wildlife work reads like a different universe compared to today’s protocols and restrictions.

Not really. I had to submit my protocols and methods to an Animal Care Committee at the university for approval. After a week of training, I still had to let Cal. DFG handle all tranquilizing. I was certified to handle narcotics through a Congressional act/law for veterinary assistants and we had to have a paramedic on site, have a prescription for the drugs and syringes, practice severe control of drugs and equipment at all times, and only those with the prescriptions could handle the drugs.